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Nightclub permit needed to dance
Published: March 24, 2009
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Don Quicke, owner of County Rib & Ale House, has informed patrons that dancing is not allowed because the establishment has been denied the proper permit. The restaurant and bar offers live entertainment on the weekends. | photo by elizabeth farina


by elizabeth farina, Midlothian Exchange.com
efarina@midlothianexchange.com

UPDATE: Midlothian District Supervisor Dan Gecker’s telephone number listed in the picture is incorrect.

It’s not the first time in Virginia that law enforcement has used a dormant county code when police identify a business as a thorn in a rosy community. County Rib & Ale House and Mulligan’s, both located on Hull Street Road, have posted “No Dancing” signs at their front doors. Neither business has the required nightclub permit, a $25 application process. The 1978 code, which was last updated in 2001, allows a commercial business with a nightclub permit to offer adult beverages, live entertainment and dancing. If the permit is denied by the Chesterfield County Police Chief for reasons ranging from zoning and plumbing to the applicant considered not being “of good moral character,” the business that thrives on live entertainment is faced with fines if the business owner does not enforce the dancing restriction on its customers.

Two businesses cited

Chesterfield County Police has cited the County Rib & Ale House twice for dancing without a nightclub permit. Both dancing incidents were on Feb. 6 and Feb. 20. Mulligan’s was also cited for a dancing incident in February. The County Rib & Ale House’s five investors received a summons in early March.

Establishment co-owner Don Quicke stated the business has been open for four years. The criminal background check required for a Virginia Department of Alcohol Beverage Control license had not been an issue. “I, and my dad, passed with flying colors,” Quicke said. “I had not had a traffic ticket since 1980s.”

He did state that the County Rib & Ale had applied for the nightclub permit two years ago, but it was turned down. Quicke removed the dance floor as instructed by county staff and placed tables in front of the stage. He has been told that the nightclub permit is still denied. “They said the police had been called here too many times,” Quicke said.

He is concerned that the business is being targeted in order to shut it down because similar locations that serve alcohol and have live entertainment and dancing, have not been cited. “They’re dancing to the beat of the band at these locations. They haven’t bothered any of these other businesses,” he said.

Quicke has made layoffs to keep the business doors open. “It’s wrecked our bottom line at least 20 percent. We have approximately 17 altogether working part- and full-time,” he said.

However, business owners are not the only ones upset. The customer reaction has been horrible when Quicke tells a patron that the dancing restriction is not a joke. The business could face an ABC hearing for being non-compliant with the county code. “It’s serious stuff. In our business, we can’t operate without an ABC license,” he said.

A petition for change in the code

Patrons have started a petition for the county code to be changed. “It’s a ‘Footloose’ law,” said Mark Linegar, a bartender’s husband who organized a customer-driven petition to change the law. “We don’t have trouble up here.”

Linegar, 52, is concerned that the law is too open for interpretation. “How much movement does it take to be called dancing? Are we supposed to glue our butts to a barstool?”

The lifelong Chesterfield County resident has heard crowd feedback from patrons. He has also collected over 400 signatures on the petition for the Board of Supervisors to reconsider the law. “People are outraged,” he said. “We’re grown people. I don’t want to take my revenue to the city of Richmond to dance.”

John Domo, band member of The K.O.D.E., is concerned the law’s economic affects are on more than a bar owner’s revenue. Besides the impact on the bar staff, who work the second job for additional income, it also trickles into the entertainment side. “It affects performers who make additional income performing to crowds who dance to their music,” Domo stated in an e-mail. “The law also affects sound providers who provide the audio and lighting equipment and their employees who work on the evenings of the events.”

He is also concerned that other county businesses may be targeted in the sweeping enforcement. “Look out. You’re next,” Domo said.

police outline its concerns

Chesterfield County Police Officer Maj. Karl Leonard, Commander of the Uniform Operations, stated that Mulligan’s is not zoned for a nightclub and County Rib & Ale has been denied a permit because the police department has had 51 calls for service to the location since January 2008, “Which is why it becomes significant,” Maj. Leonard said. “If we’re going to get 51 calls for service, something is not right to warrant that much police response.”

Maj. Leonard stated that on four separate occasions police officers were assaulted and one sustained an injury. “Twenty-six of the 51 [service calls] specifically dealt with a disturbance inside,” he said. “It has shown a track history of disorderly issues within the establishment.”

Maj. Leonard, which identified 14 active nightclub permits in the county on file in 2009, added that a nightclub should not be confused with a bar such as Applebee’s and T.G.I.F. There are a lot of nightclubs that the department has not come in contact with, Maj. Leonard said. He also noted the application process is also a joint effort among the zoning department and the commissioner of revenue. 

“It’s not just restaurants and bars, we’re looking at all establishments. If this would have been a shoe store we would have taken a more aggressive look at the shoe store,” Maj. Leonard said.

As for other Virginia bars and restaurants being targeted, the former Anchor House in Moneta, Va., was informed in 2000 that management was required to enforce a 1972 Franklin County code that denied dancing on Sundays. The establishment closed later that year. 



Reader Comments
Dave Saunders of Midlothian Apr. 25, 2009, 02:29 PM

Re.dic.u.lous. I almost forgot about this story last month, than I went to Murphys Law II last night and found that they had been recently cited. A couple of people got up and danced during karaoke night, and yep, you guessed it, Chesterfield PD shut ‘em down.
The music played on, but everybody had to sit in their seats. People stared, shook their heads and generally seemed subdued…latecomers who didn’t know about this ridiculous law started dancing and were quickly told by wait staff that they had to stop. I wished I had a camera on me.
Suppose you went to Applebees for karaoke night and you started getting into the song and maybe tapped your foot a little or swayed back and forth and were then told by staff that what you were doing was illegal. Imagine the look on your face….I saw that look about 40 times last night.
I just sat there and shook my head and thought how sad this is, really for everyone. The staff doesn’t want enforce a ridiculous law, and the officers on the street don’t want to either. The citizens are sad. The business owners are losing business. It’s even sad for those not involved, people who never go to a bar and have never danced in their lives…think of the embarrassment they must feel when this story is repeated and the entire country is pointing at us and laughing.
This kind of story really show us how backwards the county government is. Imagine a county with 300,000 residents, that has a law against dancing? It’s anti-business. Anti-community. and Anti-common sense.
Stupid, stupid, stupid. I wish I could think of a better word, but I can’t. STUPID!


Doug James of Midlothian, VA Apr. 21, 2009, 06:17 PM

It’s not just two “problem” establishments being targeted.

Go ask the proprieters of the Applebee’s restaurants in the county how their karaoke nights have been affected, or Kegler’s Lounge at Kingpin Lanes.

What happened to all the open mikes in Chesterfield County? There were a dozen in February. Now there’s none.

Karaoke and open mikes are other forms of live entertainment - and yes, people will get up and dance to either if they are ALLOWED to do so.

Now ask any of the managers of these establishments how many times they’ve had customers leave because they had to tell them dancing wasn’t allowed. Ask them if any of those customers ever came back.

Ask about the KGB style undercover operatives that hang around just waiting to bust someone for dancing.

Ask your supervisor how many nightclub licenses have been applied for since February, and if ANY have been granted in the last two months.

This isn’t about “public safety,” it’s about filling the county coffers so the Supervisors can vote themselves a big raise next year.

I play in a band, and also host karaoke and open mike nights. This hurts ME, and I take it personally. I’ve already written a letter to my County supervisor, and I can guarantee he’ll hear this brought up again at election time.


phil taggart of Midlothian Apr. 11, 2009, 05:48 PM

My wife and I have been going to County Rib and Ale once or twice a week for over 3 yrs now. Most Wednesdays, some Thursdays and occasionally a Friday. With that frequency of visits, one would think the odds of seeing those “many trouble times” would be quite high..  ONCE, and only ONCE have I seen trouble INSIDE the establishment. Maybe Im just lucky not seeing ALL THOSE INCIDENTS the police have complained about.
The owners have eliminated the questionable Saturday night clientel. Why not give the owners a chance to show that COUNTY RIB AND ALE can be a valuable, fun place of good food, good drinks and good entertainment. Which should include that NASTY (tongue in cheek) D word “DANCING”


Jack Slash of Midlothian Apr. 3, 2009, 01:28 PM

Information is coming in….fact is County Rib & Ale has had 75 calls for service from the police dept. since March of 2005, that is an average of 1.67 a month. Of the 75 calls 25 were in no way related to bad conduct. 5 were traffic stops, several were alarms going off, there were calls for suspious situations, etc. There were a total of 8 arrest made.
Major Leonard’s statement “Twenty-six of the 51 [service calls] specifically dealt with a disturbance inside,” is totally wrong. Evereyone needs to know the facts as they are about the calls and the assaults on the police officers.
The police dept. has said County Rib & Ale was denied a night club permit on Hull St for having to many calls for police service, as stated 75 calls in 45 months. A business on Jeff Davis Highway. had 73 calls for service in the last two years and was recently given a night club permit.


Tamara of Chesterfield County Apr. 3, 2009, 10:47 AM

I have been in Mulligan’s several times in the years I have lived here.  Usually on a Friday night to see a band.  Every Friday night that I was there, there was a Chesterfield County police officer, in uniform, standing inside the establishment by the door.  Every week a Chesterfild County police officer witnessed them breaking the law and did nothing.  Have all of these officers been diciplined or suspended for dereliction of duty? I doubt it.  How many times have the police been called to other establishments since Jan 2008? If the county is going to make a practice of smearing one businesses reputation, they should release all the police calls to all establishments that serve alchohal.  With the way the County planning board ( rather lack of planning board) only seems to care about the western part of the county, like the ever so precious Hampton Park area or the Watkins Center area, they are slowly but surely turning us close in Chesterfield County residents into the new Cloverleaf Mall area.  If we keep losing businesses and tax revenue, that is going to be the face of this part of the county.  Maybe if we put it to them in a way they will understand, money, they will reconcider.  The more us trashy people drink at County Rib an Ale and Mulligan’s the more roads they can build for the people from Woodlake to get to the malls.


Cy Taggart of Chesterfield Apr. 2, 2009, 02:01 PM

Historically we are defined by the arts.
Comming here from Chicago I find the VA ABC laws imposed on live music establishments is the reason the live music scene is well not a live music scene.
The sad part is that there are a lot of great players and bands. The real good ones leave town.
No wonder the barn dance moved to Nashville.
We need bars that don’t have to be resturants.

Cy Taggart


Just the Facts of Midlothian Mar. 28, 2009, 11:13 AM

OK, here is the bottom line. County Rib and Ale has applied for the proper permit to allow dancing, Chesterfield County has denied it. The issue is the disturbances that bother the Police for having to respond to calls. We pay our taxes and support them for this very service. Are they just wanting to be SLACKERS, there are always going to be patrons everywhere that lack responsible behavior. However for those of us that enjoy dining and dancing in our own community why should we have to drive to Richmond for a night out. We are small business owners living in Chesterfield, paying taxes, with a HORRIFIC URGE TO DANCE together after 25 years of marrriage. And personaly we have never been at either location when the police are called because we leave at an appropiate time after we’re tired from too much dancing.  Honestly if you think about it, allowing dancing gives people something else to do besides sitting around drinking alcohol. Hey, Chesterfield is hosting the annual wine tasting gala, ( $15.00 a person, all you can drink, MUSIC AND DANCING, better call security !!!!)And another thing, as a growing community think about dropping some of the tax payers money into public transportation, so as adults we could go else where to dance and have an alcoholic beverage with out paying Chesterfield thousands of dollars for DUI arrests, just think a shared bottle of wine over dinner at a local restaurant is ILLEGAL and way over the limit.


Gary Meyer of Chesterfield County Mar. 27, 2009, 06:44 PM

These laws remind me of the movie, Footloose,
What is wrong with dancing? And the police are “assaulted”? I thought they were the police.
Can’t they handle someone? What do we hire them for? It is NOT THE DANCING…IT IS THE PEOPLE…NOT EVERYONE THAT DANCES IS OUT OF CONTROL. DANCERS…TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY OR THE GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE IT FROM YOU…THEY ALWAYS USE THIS AS AN “EXCUSE” FOR MORE CONTROL…WHAT IS NEXT??


Bruce Crump of Midlothian Mar. 27, 2009, 05:25 PM

As a regular attendee of County Rib & Ale in Midlothian (I HAVE to be there every Wednesday night and the occasional Friday night - I play in the band PATRON), I can tell you that I have witnessed ONE call to the police over the past 6 months, which was made by the girlfriend of a guy who got into a fight in the parking lot with another guy. This was AFTER the bar was closed and was obviously fueled by a little too much alcohol - which is in no way a direct reflection on the restaurant. This no dancing rule is beyond ludicrous - it is grade school nonsense. I supplement my income by playing in a band to support my family and enforcing such a rule as a way to get back at an establishment is just plain wrong - what is this “Footloose”? 51 calls in over 15 months is what, a call every 9 days? One call every week and a half is not excessive if you factor in all the calls they get for traffic accidents, domestic disturbances, robberies and theft, etc. I’ve witnessed firsthand the drop in clientele and I am concerned for my livelihood - as I am sure are the owners of County Rib & Ale.


Hmmm of Chesterfield Mar. 26, 2009, 11:00 PM

There’s plenty of places in Chesterfield where these people can go and dance, because their owners were responsible and got their permits and kept a safe environment.  I’m glad to see the cops stepping up and fixing problem spots.  I don’t want to waste my tax dollars on subsidizing these places with large disturbances all the time.  Lots of jurisdictions require nightclub permits, it’s to make sure innocent people don’t get hurt by problem businesses.  Next you people will be complaining that the fire marshal should be around either.  If the police weren’t doing anything, everyone would complain when some big incident happened.


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